Bungi Bill

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  Is Trump Doing Better Than You Thought As President!

  by minimus in

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  i know that some here detested him while others may have simply accepted the reality of who is president.. do you think he is better than you might have thought as a president?.

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  Bungi Bill

  VW,

  You are quite correct about the bar room brawl!
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  Has the Governing Body EVER apologized for anything?

  by Wild_Thing in

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  geoffrey jackson testified to the arc that the governing body has apologized for things in the past, so an apology to sexual abuse victims is "perceivable".

  what has the governing body ever apologized for?.

  22 q. just on that point, mr jackson, has the governing body23 considered apologising to survivors of child sexual abuse24 at the hands of elders within the organisation?25 a. i haven't been in any discussions with regard to that.26 27 q. is that something that you foresee might happen ‐ in 28 other words, that an apology at least be considered?29 a. the governing body has apologised on other matters, so30 for me to say ‐ i can't speak collectively for everybody, 31 but we have apologised on things in the past, in other32 areas, so it is perceivable.. .

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  Bungi Bill

  It took nearly five years before they even ventured anything remotely approaching an apology over 1975. As stated in a Watchtower early in 1980, they did concede that "to an extent" they (the WTS) shared responsibility.

  According to Raymond Franz in Crisis of Conscience, this was a very watered-down "apology" from the one he sought.
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  australian of the year.

  by zeb in

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  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-25/quantum-physicist-named-2018-australian-of-the-year/9363206.

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  Bungi Bill

  It is good to see academics receiving due recognition for their achievements, thus proving Australia is not just about "Football, Meat Pies, Kangaroos and Holden Cars".

  A proper bugger, though, that Geoffrey missed out. I would have thought him to be a dead cert. for the award. Chin up, fella; there is always next year!
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  You or Family at Uni? Bye bye Ministerial Servants Position

  by snugglebunny in

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  kingdom ministry school.

  2018 service year.

  programme for congregation elders: file:///c:/users/michael/downloads/kms-tk18-e_no8.pdf.

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  Bungi Bill

  I can recall a prominent elder in the late 1970s who permitted his son to attend university. Somehow he got away with it, too. This person remained, and still is, a prominent elder in S.E. Queensland (Australia).

  His son subsequently graduated from the School of Engineering at the University of Queensland (St Lucia), and is today a highly respected Electrical Engineer, running his own consultancy firm.

  After seeing directives from the GB - such as this one - which bash "Higher Education", I often wonder how those two fare when applying these rules to others (As far as I am aware, both father and son remain elders in their respective JW congregations). Do they, in effect, say to everybody else "I have got mine, but you are not allowed to have yours"? Or are they amongst those long term JWs who do lip service to everything the GB says, but privately ignore the more extreme directives of their religion?

  Sometimes I really would like to be a fly on the wall!
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  "Go and tell someone who cares...I dont care!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i don't usually like the confrontational approach to those on the carts, however this video is a great example of how jws do not really care about child abuse issues!.

  the arrogance of this brother is disturbing..... bear with the video.

  it gets really interesting around the 6 min mark, where the brother loses his cool.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5chulnnyqs.

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  Bungi Bill

  Well-intentioned but long-winded.
  The JW raised an important question when he got a word in but the ex-JW deflected it.

  He was something of a "motormouth", wasn't he!
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  "Go and tell someone who cares...I dont care!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i don't usually like the confrontational approach to those on the carts, however this video is a great example of how jws do not really care about child abuse issues!.

  the arrogance of this brother is disturbing..... bear with the video.

  it gets really interesting around the 6 min mark, where the brother loses his cool.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5chulnnyqs.

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  Bungi Bill

  cofty,

  Correct on both counts!

  The guy doing most of the talking didn't exactly come over as the sharpest tool in the shed. In fact, he carried the impression of being somebody who had perhaps a fact or two at his disposal, while the rest just sort of dribbled out:

  - e.g. "Andrew" Jackson - I thought he was the seventh president of the USA!

  One can say all sorts of things, but unless documented evidence is presented to back it up, it is unlikely to make much of an impression (much like W.Schnell's 30 Years a Watchtower Slave).

  Good entertainment for the peanut gallery, though; and if he intended to embarrass the JW guy, then he certainly succeeded!
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  I want to understand British references to your countries.

  by compound complex in

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  greetings, friends across the two ponds:.

  of course, as per other posters' recommendations, i could google this; i have and remain, not totally confused, but wanting the straight dope as well as nuanced meaning.

  i'm both curious and needing to know for purposes of editing works of american and british writers.

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  Bungi Bill

  The term "Commonwealth" has very little relevance.

  It ceased even being called the "British Commonwealth" as long ago as 1949, and some of its members (e.g. Rwanda, Mozambique and Cameroon) were never British territories prior to independence. "Commonwealth" is definitely not a term of national identity; not even close, in fact!
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  My childhood home, 60 years later. What about yours?

  by compound complex in

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  2. friends

  greetings, former children:.

  i really miss my childhood home, which we left in 1960. dad sold it for some 12,000 dollars; it recently sold for somewhere under 1.5 million.

  it's only a tiny bungalow but in a prosperous bay area town, not too far from san francisco, california.. the art and literature that are so important to me -- and for many others of us -- got their start in my heart and mind here in the california mountains.

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  Bungi Bill

  The place where I grew up has long since become a ghost town (direct result of a phenomenon called "Rogernomics"), and the house I grew up in was sold off for removal. I have no idea where the relocated building now sits. However, I still frequently have dreams of the old place - particularly as my fortunes have declined somewhat over these last few years!
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  Are You An Angry Exjw At This Point In Your Life?

  by minimus in

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  i’ve been here for many years.

  the tone seems to be different in this place.

  not so many pissed off exjws .

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  Bungi Bill

  I like to think that I got past the "angry" stage quite a number of years ago now.
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  Manmade rules

  by Jrjw in

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  2. beliefs

  i was talking to someone a few years ago and he said in his congregation they have a rail of white shirts prepared in the cloakroom for if a speaker doesn't have a white shirt on.

  it was a rule in their hall that all brothers in the platform must wear white shirts when going talks and if the speaker won't comply when asked to change into the shirt they provide an elder in the congregation will do the talk instead.

  i have never known any other halls do it so it must be a rule the elders have made up without gb input.

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  Bungi Bill

  I was in one congregation in which the elders decided to "lift the tone" of things by insisting that men wear jackets at all times while engaging in field service. This in a location in which summertime temperatures frequently exceed 30 degrees Celsius; and in which the community in general would regard you as being barking mad if you did not remove your coat!

  In another circuit during the late 1980s, all those desiring to get "get appointed" were required to not just make the "national average", but to exceed it. Would-be Ministerial Servants had to report at least 12 hours a month, while servants who hoped appointment as Elder had to report at least 15 hours a month. All congregations in that circuit were spilling over with publishers, and we were covering the territory in less than a month. In fact, during the Circuit Overseer's visit, coverage was more like once a week. People were (not surprisingly) heartily sick of us always being at their doors. By the time I left, the list of "Do Not Calls" almost exceeded the number of homes it was okay to call at! Also, the official stance of the WTS that you "worked a territory to life, NOT to death" proved to be quite untrue. Nontheless, the iron-clad rule remained, "Thou shalt report 12 hours a month". Not written anywhere in the Bible, though. (Certainly nowhere that I could see, anyway!)